[00:00:00] Teri Holland: Welcome back to another episode of success in mind, where we explore the strategies, insights, and mindset needed to achieve success in all areas of life. Today, I'm joined by Jennifer McCormick and we delve into the fascinating topic. Of money, mindset healing from past experiences and how to unlock your unlimited earning potential. Jennifer's going to share from her personal journey and how she helps women to overcome their limiting beliefs, their doubts or uncertainties regarding their own financial prowess. With a focus on the meaning. We assign our experiences. Jennifer explores the barriers that hinder us from earning the amount of money we desire.
[00:00:40] And guides us on a path towards releasing energetic and cognitive blocks that may be holding us back
[00:00:47] But before we dive into the interview, let me introduce you to Jennifer. Jennifer McCormick is a business strategic kinesiologist. And hypnotherapists. She helps women all over the globe, scale their businesses by taking their minds and energy to the next level, guiding them through the challenges and struggles that come along with the entrepreneurial journey and helping them unapologetically sit in their power to rise and expand both themselves and their businesses alike. Kinesiology and hypnotherapy has also played a big role in Jennifer's own life. It's helped her from healing exzema, which she had since birth, removing pain from a car accident that left her with a sprained back. Moving forward from childhood traumas and more you are in for a treat get ready to be inspired
[00:01:35] jennifer, welcome to the show.
[00:01:52] Jennifer McCormack: Thank you, Teri, for having me. I'm excited to come and chat to you today.
[00:01:57] Teri Holland: Thanks. I'm excited about this too. I think we have so many parallels in our businesses, so I was really interested in having you on. But what I want to start with... Because I noticed you do kinesiology and hypnotherapy, and I'm so curious about how you combine those in your work and how you work with your clients.
[00:02:16] So can you, let's start there. Tell us about that.
[00:02:19] Jennifer McCormack: So I love, I started off with kinesiology, right? So About 10 years ago, I studied kinesiology when I just had my kids. Like you do as a fresh mom, you go back to studying. Um, and along the way I started off helping babies sleep. I started off helping, um, women with gut health and a lot of physical ailments.
[00:02:42] And it's through working with the physical ailments that I realized that this is not about the body at all. This is about the stress that these people are under that's affecting their physicality. And it was one day that I realized that it wasn't working as well as what it should. And I'm like, why, what's happening here with these certain people that were not getting the quick, easy results.
[00:03:12] That I know we should be getting out of this and that's when I've realized that was stuck in their mind So kinesiology works really well from the energetics into the cellular into the body Into the mind, but I needed a tool to work the other way So I started off with NRT, which is a really great for trauma in based PTSD things like that, but I needed something a little bit extra to go a little bit, not deeper, but something that could be broadly used with a lot more people.
[00:03:51] And this is where hypnosis works really well. So I might start off a session with doing the energetics and helping the, the body's energy realign and then finishing off with a hypnosis and that really helps meet each other in the middle for quicker results. So as you know, once we get that mind to see things from a different perspective, to create that shift, it helps adjust the body so much more quicker.
[00:04:24] So even if we're working on a gut health, that gut. And the flora in the gut and the neural pathways that, that connect into the gut that can all rebalance so much quicker because we're, we're, I was going to use the word attacking where we're approaching it and where the problem is, right? And the problem sometimes is just not in the gut itself.
[00:04:50] Well, when I say that's not related to food or, um. You know, what's, what's chemically, what's technically happening there, but it's the, the chemical reactions of the way that we're thinking and the stress that we're having that affects how the gut works. And so as we were going along, I was working with actually a fellow kinesiologist and I was working with her on her gut.
[00:05:16] And what we realized is that her health, as it improved, her business started to improve. Amazing. And I'm like, Ooh, what's happening here? This is so intriguing. So we decided to flip the switch. Right? So like, all right, what happens if we work directly on the business? Like we ask for external results. And see what the body comes up with using kinesiology and muscle testing and then utilizing that information into the hypnosis and what comes around and she wanted an extra, you know, she wanted 12 clients a week.
[00:05:57] She got 12 clients a week. She wanted more. We got her more. And it was, that's kind of led me to where I am today. Yeah. I'm working with entrepreneurial women to help them scale their business. So it's just amazing how it works. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's so cool.
[00:06:16] Teri Holland: So when you're working with your clients now, like what kind of problems are you solving with clients?
[00:06:21] What's your focus now?
[00:06:23] Jennifer McCormack: Well, the high level problems is how do I get more clients? How do I scale my business? This is where I am, and this is where I want to be. I want to be a consistent 10K months. I want to be a consistent 50K months. I want to reach the million dollar year, whatever it might be. So they're the high level problem.
[00:06:42] But when we break this down to the problems that I see that they have that are preventing them or that they need to work through to close the gap is things like, how will I be seen with more money? Yep. How will I, will I change? Am I worthy of stepping into that world? Right? We have this preconceived idea that.
[00:07:14] You know, 50k months is a different world, right? And am I worthy of that world, right? So it's knowing how we, it's comparing ourselves to our previous version and it's comparing ourselves to other people. Am I worthy of all of that? That's probably the biggest one that I see, but then there's also the, how do I step away from my past?
[00:07:39] How do I heal what's happened so it doesn't affect me now in the way that I show up? Especially for women, like I work with a lot of single mums. So part of it gets to be, how can I earn money and release the resentment that I hold for how my ex should be supporting me, but he's not. Oof. That's huge. So in meant...
[00:08:09] Yeah, in our mind, we've got these two parts at conflict, right? This part of my husband should be supporting his children financially, so I don't want to have to work so much to do it all myself. And then the other side of it is, I want to be this financially free, independent woman that can fully support herself way and beyond what the child maintenance needs to be.
[00:08:39] So it's like, how can we, how can we build a business when we've got these two conflicting parts? Mm hmm. Yeah. And you know, then we can also get rid of the ex husband. It's like, how did.
[00:08:56] It's almost like, how, how does, how does, what's my relationship with money based on how I grew up, right? What did I say? Mom and dad. Yeah, what did I see money around mom and dad? How did they perceive money? How did they perceive wealthy women or wealthy people? How did they perceive people that had less than them?
[00:09:18] How did they compare themselves to people around them? But also what did that not only what did that mean for me? But how did they see me in conjunction with money? Do they see me as a burden? Do they see me as? As someone that's responsible, because especially with women, did you know that it was only in the 70s, I know here in Australia, that we were allowed to actually hold a bank account?
[00:09:48] Yeah. Um, as, as a, as a, as a single woman. Before that, we were not even allowed to have a bank account. So you can imagine the generational trauma that is subconsciously that we need to work through to go, I am allowed to earn money. I am responsible. I can, I can facilitate all of that. Right. What we see a lot as well is, especially, In our generation is my dad had control of the money, right?
[00:10:31] He earned all the money, major breadwinner, so he would drip feed my mum money to look after the family. So I made that mean. That women couldn't, weren't good with handling money. So I make that meaning, I'm not good with handling money. So if I'm not good with handling money, how can I earn a lot because I don't know how to handle it properly?
[00:10:59] Right. Yeah. So it's, it's not necessarily, as you would know, what actually went on, but what we made that mean and what we made that mean for us. Right. So it's helping dig all this stuff up for these women and going like, what is technically in your way of you earning not only the money that you want.
[00:11:25] Right now, but the money that you're capable of earning in the future, right, which is not capped. Yeah, right even if we are Employed the money that we're able to receive doesn't need to be kept and it's through releasing all of these energetic, cognitive blocks that are in our way. We get to see different opportunities.
[00:11:59] Business is just one of the models that we could have limitless possibilities with our earning capacity, but there are so many more. You know, not all of us are cut out to be business owners or not all of us want to be business owners. But that doesn't mean that your income is capped. So it's like creating an opportunity for you to see beyond what you know to be true here right here, right now.
[00:12:34] Yeah. And doing that work. Yeah, absolutely.
[00:12:39] Teri Holland: So how do we, or how do you work, you know, when you're working with clients, how do we move from what it is that You know, six, I see this a lot with clients. It's like, this is what I know I can earn. This is what I'd like to earn. And I don't know how to move from here to here.
[00:12:56] Really good question. Often. It's like a lot of fear and a lot of uncertainty. And, and like you said, who will I be? What will happen? So how do we begin to make that shift?
[00:13:07] Jennifer McCormack: I think the most important thing, Teri, is to understand what is the next best available goal. Right? So if we're at zero, if we're just starting out, right, and we want to get ideally, what do you want?
[00:13:21] Would you want a, a business that gives you the same income as what you were earning in corporate? Yeah. May that be a six figure or multi six figure. Now, if we go from zero to fix this six figures. The chances of your nervous system being regulated and your beliefs getting behind that is very slim, right?
[00:13:47] So it's what is your next best goal? Most of the time I take clients up by the 1, 000 per month. And there's a certain barrier that they go, okay, now we can do a 2k jump here. Okay. We can do a 5k jump here. Okay. I feel safe to do a 10k jump, but creating those increments, I find the growth is so much quicker than going from zero to 10, zero to a hundred.
[00:14:17] Right. So it's number one, it's creating those increments and then going, okay, give me five ways which you believe that money can come in. Right. And I just pick randomly five. And the reason I do that is because once we do the energetic alignment, we work on the beliefs. The reality is that yes, it could come in this way, but it also could come in the other way.
[00:14:46] Or it could come in this way. And it could come in this way. Right. I might get halfway through the month, a, an idea and intuitive hit that goes, Oh, let's try this. And that's the way it comes in, which at the beginning of the month, we didn't know. So if we're fixated on, it has to come through this way, we're really narrowing the opportunities that are available to us and we don't see other opportunities.
[00:15:14] So I always say, give yourself five, five ways that it could come in and then go. This or something better. This or something better. Yeah. Right? So that's number one. It's like, give yourself some strategy because let's face it, we can have the best strategy in the world and our mindset and our energy, that's not aligned and the strategy is not going to work.
[00:15:40] Or the other way around, we're going to have the best mindset and we can be sitting on the couch expecting stuff to happen for us when really we're missing those intuitive hits that goes, go and do this, go and do that. You have to, you have to create the alignment between the strategy and the mindset, the strategy and the energy.
[00:15:59] So have this, have the strategy. How do I need to get that extra thousand dollars this month? How do I need to get the extra five K and leave it open this or something better? And then it's. Why don't I believe, on a cognitive level, on a conscious level, why don't I believe that's possible? And listen all down, right?
[00:16:24] But the chances are, we're going to miss some, and this is why I love kinesiology and muscle testing, because I can go, okay, if we're at 10k and we want to get to 11, The body knows the priority belief, the priority emotion, the priority imbalance that we need to rebalance, reshift to get that, to close that particular gap.
[00:16:55] So it's always good for me in the way that I work. It's always going to be an emotional value because I believe emotions really shift, change our energy, change the way we think and it's the core of a lot of our beliefs, right, is how we emotionally respond to things. For So, it's okay, what emotion do we need to shift, where does it stem from, and how do we shift it?
[00:17:17] The body knows all that, not cognitively, not consciously, but then all that energy lies in our subconscious. It lies in our energy system. So that's where kinesiology is so brilliant for going, okay, it's self doubt. It stems from three years old. It... Needs to be shifted this way, right? And that's where we go.
[00:17:39] Okay, do we use Something like meridian rebalancing, right? Which is a very Chinese medicine Way of rebalancing energy or do we jump into a hypnosis? Your body knows the best way for you to rebalance So that's not about me guessing at all. It's what do you need and every single person is different, but there is I say two main sets of emotions that come up with almost every one of my clients.
[00:18:16] That is trust, feeling supported, and self worth. Wow. And I don't think we realize, Teri, how much little instance, well, perceived little instances, as we were growing up, affect us today. Oh, for sure. Right? And I always say, it can be as little as, um, you've done a beautiful painting, right, when you're four years old.
[00:18:50] You've done this masterpiece, or what you perceive to be an absolute masterpiece. And you show your mom in the middle of cooking dinner, right? And she's like, Oh, that's great love with such a dismissive tone, right? And so what happens inside of you? And it's all about perception. Some kids are like, yeah, mom's busy or yep.
[00:19:14] She said it was great. Some kids are like, Oh my God, the way she said it. It was like, it's not good enough. Yep. Right. So does that mean I'm not good enough? And it's all these literal pieces of trauma that add up over time. And all of a sudden we're in our thirties and forties. And putting out content for our business or showing up over here or here, and we have this underlying question of, am I good enough?
[00:19:52] Is this piece of content good enough? Am I dressed good enough? Do I look good enough? Do I, am I knowledgeable enough?
[00:20:02] So it's going back to that, you know, three, four year old self and going, well, that actually didn't mean that, but then there are times where it does mean that. And how are we going to process that? Yeah. It's the same. It's, it's, it's having the ability to let go,
[00:20:29] right? Because it's not now.
[00:20:31] Teri Holland: Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. For me, it's interesting. So you talk about that. Um, that example of bringing home the painting for me, it was a math test in the third grade, 98%. And my dad said, where's the other two? And it was like the amount of meaning that I attached to that of like 98 is not good enough.
[00:20:53] If it's not 100%, it's not worth it. And all the layers and layers of meaning that I had built up over my life of what that meant. And now as an adult, I look back and I know that. You know, I know how my dad meant it, and he meant it as, like, everything can be improved. So, how could it be even better? Like, didn't mean it as, like, it's not enough, but just, uh, how could you do even better?
[00:21:16] What, what did you get wrong? What do we need to work on? And, but my little mind made so many meanings out of it that I didn't even realize until I was studying NLP how much that one moment shaped me. Yeah, where it's like such a vivid memory to this day, and I was in the third grade and so much meaning was attached to that that changed how I showed up in business, how I made my decisions, my ability to take risks, believe myself so much out of that one little moment.
[00:21:46] When you think about how many of those moments we have in childhood and how many. Different layers of meanings we attach to something, um, and most people have no idea. They just think that they are the way they are or this is how life is without knowing it could be better or different.
[00:22:04] Jennifer McCormack: That's a really good point that you just bring up there because there's a majority of us don't believe we can change.
[00:22:11] Don't believe change is even a thing. Right. It's like, and I used to be this way in my early twenties, but I just used to say, I'm, I'm a stressful person. And then it wasn't until, and I get this a lot, even in now in clinic, or I, my baseline, my baseline of stress is always high. I'm just that stressed kind of person and like, wow, we're, we're tying an identity To us, that's so healable, changeable, moldable.
[00:22:42] Like, I don't think we realize how moldable of a, of a, a character, a human we are. And even if we look at, you know, jumping into different circumstances and events in life, whether we go to a wedding and a funeral and a birthday party and a concert, like we can bring different parts of us. Different emotions to these different scenarios.
[00:23:10] It's like, well, if we can be elated here and we can sit in sorrow here and we can sit in guilt here, then that shows us how flexible we can be. So this baseline that we're currently operating at, hmm, maybe that can change. Yeah. And I find it really interesting how a lot of us, because it's normal for us, don't realize what our baseline is.
[00:23:46] Teri Holland: Yeah. I used to, like what you were saying about, you would say, I'm a stressful person. You thought that's how you were, or that's how you had to be. I used to like always say I thrive under pressure. I do my best work under pressure. And then I realized one day it's because I didn't know how to do it differently.
[00:24:02] Yes. So I only knew how to perform under pressure. So I would create high pressure situations so that I could perform because I, I didn't know there was another way. And I thought it had to be like that.
[00:24:13] Jennifer McCormack: Yeah. And when you look at your childhood and it's like all this pressure that you used to get because you didn't have that two percent.
[00:24:23] It's like, okay, I can do better because I'm, that's expected of me. So that nervous system tension is like, that's how I perform. So we leave things to last minute. We think we procrastinate. Well, we're not procrastinating. We're just following the common formula of how we operate. I need to wait until the stress is built up to a certain point until I function.
[00:24:49] But what happens when you start to regulate? Right? And it's interesting because when we start to regulate, we end up giving ourself more time. When we give us myself more time, we enable the creativity part of us To see in, not just the logic, because the logic in the masculine is all about do, do, do, right?
[00:25:14] Get it done. Yep. Have the structure. But once we allow that feminine flow and creativity and intuition to come to the party and play as well, we end up with a much better result. Because we're not only doing, but we're having those creative juices flow along the way with it. When problems happen, In life.
[00:25:39] Cause they always happen. It's like when our baseline is at a regulated level, like those issues can move through. Right. But when our baseline is really how high. It's almost like every time a problem happens, it's like shit hits the fan. Right. Right? Yeah. So, I mean, that's a really good indicator to know how many times do you might feel that you maybe could have handled things a little bit better.
[00:26:23] Yeah. And it's interesting because we're in. You know, term four of the kid's school right now and term four is always, you know, it's a little bit messy because the kids are tired, they've had a big year, they're coming into the end. And so we can even see like kids are a really good example of this because when they're overloaded.
[00:26:46] They can't handle things as much as they used to. Yeah. So it's the same sort of thing, right? So when our baseline's too high, we have our little tantees a lot easier than what they would have. Yeah. For sure. So sometimes you need to just dig a little bit deeper and like, how do we bring that baseline down?
[00:27:11] What is the stress that's sitting under it? Because as we know, the stress has got nothing to do with what exactly is happening around you right here, right now, but you have learned to respond from that level from years ago. Yes. So let's, let's rewire the brain so it can sit in a calmer state. Yeah. Allow the body and the mind to let go.
[00:27:44] Teri Holland: Yeah. Now, you had mentioned muscle testing, and so I'm wondering if you can just like talk more about that, about how you use muscle testing and what it is, because I, you know, everyone listening might not know what muscle testing is. So can you explain a little bit about that and then how you use that with your clients?
[00:28:02] Jennifer McCormack: Sure. So every, we know we have all these muscles in our body, right? They do two simple things, contract and release. Right. You, everyone here listening knows sometimes when they're stressed that their body tightens up. Most of us notice it in our shoulder and our back and our neck, right? Especially if we're sitting in the wrong position, we've got so much stress and some people feel it in their stomach, right?
[00:28:34] The nervousness, the butterflies, the, you know, when you're just about to go for an interview and you get all these. tension in your stomach, the nausea feeling that you get in your stomach sometimes under stress, right? So anytime our body's under stress, our muscles contract. So it's up to us as kinesiologists to put stress on the body and to, or perceive stress and to see how the body reacts.
[00:29:04] So physically, when I have someone physically here, we can literally. Test the actual muscle itself, 90 percent of what I do these days is online. So I tune into your energy and I use my own muscles as a surrogate to test for you. So we can go, okay, in regards to you want consistent 50k months. What is the first priority for your body?
[00:29:33] to work on and then we go through because it's more than just an emotional state. We've got chemical reactions in our body that can dysregulate us. We have, um, nutritional. We have emotional and structural and also energetics. Right. Energetics can be anything from EMF to, um, genetics to ancestral trauma, things like that.
[00:30:05] So it's knowing what questions to ask the body to what answers you want back. So, and then going one step further, how does the body want to heal this? When you have a look at my chart on ways to heal the body, I'm going to say there's like 60, 70 different techniques that we can use. To rebalance the body in either an energetic way, a cognitive way, a physical way, anything like that.
[00:30:38] So sometimes even changing your diet is what it needs. So it might, if you are gluten intolerant, if you, um, drink too much alcohol, if you have too much coffee, right? I mean, coffee's a really good one. Um, especially people that drink quite large coffees. So, um, yeah, And a lot of them, that affects your nervous system and how your nervous system responds.
[00:31:07] Right? Right. So if you bring your coffee intake way down and even to nothing, you mentally function different. And that might be all it needs for you to see life differently. Right. So muscle testing enables us to tap into your body to see what you need to move forward. Yeah. So, even when, what's a good way to do this one, um, even, even when you pick up something, right?
[00:31:45] Sometimes it feels a little bit heavier than before. Like it could be a glass of wine, it could be a glass of water, like sometimes things just feel different. And that's when your body goes, you know what, this is what you need, or this feels heavy because my muscles are contracting as you're holding something that's creating a disconnect within you.
[00:32:11] Same when you, do you know when you meet people and there's something about them that is just not quite right, but you can feel it in your body and your body tenses up. It's like your energy is telling you that there is a disconnect happening here. This does not feel good in my nervous system because when we look at it, every cell in our body, when we bring it down to the minute form is created of 0.
[00:32:37] 001 percent matter. And what surrounds that matter is energy. So really we are made up of 99. 99%. And when we put all those cells together, all that matter forms a body or whatever. But science tells us that Each cell can be directly affected by the cell beside it. So when we have two people standing beside each other, if the cells are that different energetically, they will start to affect each other.
[00:33:18] Hence the reason they say, What's the quote? You become the five people that you surround yourself with. Yes. Yeah. That is exactly why. Right. Cause you start even on a subconscious energetic level, changing each other. That's why they also say with science, the longer that you're with your partner, you start to look like them a little bit.
[00:33:42] Yeah. It's like weirdly happens. But that is why, because your cells, cell structure starts to change. So here's the thing as well. Your cells also magnetize. And this is why when we talk about say relationships, if we have a habit of attracting bad people or people that are not good for us, we don't just attract them once we attract them over and over and over again, because there's something that's within our cellular level that is attracting that to us.
[00:34:17] And that's when we get to do the mirror work and going, okay, this is what's showing in our external reality. It's mirroring me somehow. What is it within me that is attracting that reality to my world? And it doesn't mean that you're a horrible person. It doesn't mean that you're a narcissist, but it means that there's some part of you that's attracting that.
[00:34:44] And most of the time it's because there is something familiar in that person. So that's why we attract the same kind of, they say what we marry a father. Yeah. And, but that is why. Totally. Yeah. It's familiar. So yeah, our cells hold a lot of information that kinesiology through the muscle testing can tap into really well.
[00:35:16] So it takes me as a practitioner out of guessing what we need to work on. It's like, yes, so interesting, especially when it comes to business, I see business as a very much a personal development journey, right? It shows us a lot of our beliefs, our values that. Do not work for us, but it ends up to be what's the priority that we need to start with.
[00:35:45] And that's where muscle testing works. Well, so cool.
[00:35:50] Teri Holland: That's so cool. Yeah. So I'm also curious about, cause you talked about how you, how you got into hypnotherapy from kinesiology, but how did you get into doing all of this? What was your path to finding this work?
[00:36:04] Jennifer McCormack: Do you know, I used to be a fashion designer for 20 years.
[00:36:08] Wow. And. I loved my job. Mm-hmm. , I loved it. Right. It was, it was my dream job that I wanted when I was at high school and I, I made it happen. And it was one day I had a car accident coming home from work and I sprained my spine. So I was off work for a little while, while I was healing. And my naturopath at the time said to me, why don't you go and see this girl?
[00:36:37] I think she can help you. She's a kinesiologist. And you know, I'd never heard of what a kinesiologist was at this time. Mm-hmm. . So I'm like, hmm, he said she can help me, I'll go suss it out. So I went there and she put me on the table. Teri, I walked out of there with zero pain. Amazing. It was so good. And so throughout the years, I went to see her for different things, for mental stuff to help me with, you know, going through corporate, through gut health stuff and things like that.
[00:37:15] And then one day she said to me, You know, you could do this. And I'm like, well, so dismissive of her. I'm like, I love my work. There's no way. I'm like, thanks for the tip. I'm glad you think I could like, not my jam. Anyway, after I had kids or as I was having kids, my mentality on a lot of things changed.
[00:37:41] Whether it was, I wanted to give them, you know, the best food when they started eating. I wanted to give them the best water and I started to be really conscious about my health and well being. As someone also that suffered from postnatal depression, like I wanted to, I wanted to change my world because it just wasn't working for me.
[00:38:01] Corporate was turning me into a horrible person that I didn't want to be. It was turning me into like this angry, bitchy woman that, talk about base stress line high, it was so high, so anything little would aggravate me and I'd come at it with an angry tone. So I'm like, I don't like this person I'm becoming, I want to change.
[00:38:27] Um, so I studied kinesiology when my little one was six months old, and I went, let's, let's see how it goes. And I think what shifted me was I had, I used to have eczema ever since I was really little. I actually don't know when it started, but I remember being one of those kids that had crusty eczema on their legs.
[00:38:50] And it was like embarrassing and horrible and it hurt. And I was on the, I came into, into clinic one day for one of my training sessions. And I was breastfeeding, I was stressed, I'd put too much on my plate, my eczema had flared up, and I was exhausted. And so, my teacher could clearly see this as I walked in.
[00:39:19] And he's like, how about we get you on the table? And I'm like, yes, please. I should have taken a photo of my eczema on my arms because they were red. By the end of that, I think he would have only worked on me for maybe half an hour. The redness had gone by, this was on a Friday, by the Monday, there was no eczema, so no rashes, no bumps, anything.
[00:39:46] And Teri, I had not got it back ever since. And that was over 10 years ago. Wow. So I'm like, Ooh, there's something about this. I really love, and even my very first client, which was a case study that I started working with, when I was studying, was a girlfriend's son, and I think at the time he might have been seven or eight, and he hadn't grown for a few years.
[00:40:14] So, he was starting to get quite short against his peers. And I said to her, well, let's, let's try it as a case study and see what happens. Within a couple of weeks, he started to grow, even just a little bit. Wow. And by the, I think we ended up doing three or four months on him, if not a little bit more. And he caught up to all his peers in his growth.
[00:40:40] Oh, wow. That's amazing. That's amazing. It was so good. And so the results that we were getting with people were fantastic. And then started to get into it professionally. I started helping little babies sleep through the night by looking, working with birth trauma. We started doing a lot of gut health stuff.
[00:41:00] People with pre diabetes, bringing them back to normal health. Um, I had one guy with Literally used to get a migraine every two days for his whole life and he was approaching his 50s at this stage. Two sessions and he stopped having migraines altogether. Women's periods, regulating them within a couple of sessions, like the results that we were getting were just phenomenal.
[00:41:28] And then coming into business, like seeing women come from no streams of income to multiple streams of income, women that wanted to leave their abusive husbands, but couldn't because they weren't financially had anything under their name, helping them build their business to, you know, six figures where they were so comfortable creating options for themselves.
[00:41:57] I've realized how life changing. This could all be in so many facets and I think this is why there's a level of addiction that I get towards it because of how. It can literally shift people's worlds. Yeah, absolutely. And that's what I love. And that's why, like, I look at myself and I, I try and look for me as when I'm 80, when I'm 70, what do I want to do?
[00:42:31] Because I know I'm not the kind of person that can just sit on the couch reading books or no, like I need to do something. I'm like, you know what? I can see myself continually to do this. Yeah. I know how to protect my energy where it doesn't drain me anymore. I know the kind of people that I want to help.
[00:42:57] Like seeing women become financially free from struggle, that is so rewarding to watch the process. You know, I've got one client at the moment. She's a single mum. Um, and She was juggling two job jobs or two jobs. Her, her job and her business, just to try and make ends meet. We took her from 2000 to $15,000 a month.
[00:43:30] Oh, that's amazing. An extra $12,000 per month, like changes someone's life. Yeah, absolutely. So like that, I don't know. It lights me up in so many different ways. And it makes me really thankful to have tools like this that can literally create that change. Because at the end of the day, it's not me. It's the application of the tools that do it.
[00:44:07] It's being able to tap into your body and go, what do you need? It's giving you the ability to see life from a different lens. It enables you to see what is possible for you. And sometimes that only happens in incremental stages. Right? It's how do we take someone from suffering into a thriving mode? It's a gradual process.
[00:44:33] It's step by step and every step of the way you see new possibilities. Yeah. And that, that day where you go, you know what, Jennifer, take me to 50K, like you could never have seen that from day one. Right. There's an element of us that knows it's possible on some level, but it's sitting in that belief and the belief is as true as, I'm going to the fridge to grab a glass of milk, right?
[00:45:02] Right. Wow. It's like, that's, that's the difference that we can make. Mm hmm. Yeah. So it ends up to you think it is? It was. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. You go ahead. It ends up to be where, where do you want to go? Right. Where do you want to take this? Yeah. How, how much do you want to grow? Mm hmm. And it's limitless.
[00:45:28] It's endless. Yeah.
[00:45:32] Teri Holland: Yeah, and you've had, you know, you had mentioned about, like, you've, you've talked about doing things sort of incrementally and, and taking things step by step. How do you know, and I don't, I don't know if you can even answer this, but how do you know, like, what is the right, Like, how much can a person handle?
[00:45:50] So if they're looking at making more money, like, what is the threshold for them of what they can handle as that next level?
[00:45:59] Jennifer McCormack: Everyone's different, right? Some people can only handle 500 extra a month. I had one girl that I was taking up by 100 a month, right? Because that's all she can handle. The difference ends up to be is, how do you think you can make the next increment?
[00:46:17] And if you don't know, it's too much for you. Right. Great. Now, so it doesn't mean that you won't get the strategy, like a strategy can come in just like that. Any aha moment can happen. Anything you see that goes, Oh my God, that's exactly what I need. Or someone might come across your world that goes, I'm a great strategic coach for helping women.
[00:46:43] Get 50k months, um, but it's what your beliefs can get behind. So if you sitting here going, okay, I want a million dollar business and you're like, one, I have no idea how I'm going to do it to when I feel I can't even feel into the million dollars energy. Wise. Like when you say, when I tell, ask people to go, okay, picture a day in your life of you earning that money, of you at that level.
[00:47:15] Sometimes I can't even do that because it's so far fetched for them. So you're like, all right, let's bring it back. What's your next increment? Can you, how does your body feel at, at 50 K? How does your body feel at 10? How does it feel at seven? How does it feel at five? Kinesiology wise, I can just test it, right?
[00:47:38] But even sometimes, I'll test it at say 1, 000 and they're like, I want to go to five. So we'll go to five, we'll work it at five, because that's what they feel that they want. And so it might take us a little bit longer because there'll be more barriers that we don't cognitively, consciously see yet. Right.
[00:48:08] Yeah. Because some people that are less aware than others, because awareness is such a big scale, right? You have some people that walk into your clinic and they're so aware. They know their blocks. They know their patterns of behavior and they can go, Terry, I need to work on this. Right. And then there's some that they really believe that the next step is a lot further than what their body can regulate.
[00:48:34] So part of it gets to be, all right, let's. Not necessarily work on the goal, but work on increasing the awareness through the goal. Mm hmm. So it's, okay, let's give you, let's start working on the goal. And through that time, you'll come to the realization that, all right, I know that I have a fear of stepping into that level.
[00:49:01] I know that I don't feel good enough even at, You know, two K more. So sometimes we really have to play with what is the first point of call? Is the first point of call jumping to the goal or helping them with their level of awareness so then they can see the obstacles towards that. Right. So it all goes to what our nervous system can handle.
[00:49:28] And then, like, even when they get the goal, how does your nervous system feel receiving the money, holding the money, spending the money, saving the money? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because they're all different things again. Right. And see, if we don't feel safe holding it, it'll come in and go out. It'll come in, we'll try and save it, a bill will come in, right?
[00:49:53] Yep. So our bodies and our energies have a really good way of keeping us safe. Our brains are designed to keep us safe, not to help us thrive. Yeah. So we need to rewire our belief systems, our energy to be at that next level in all facets of life. Right. How will my partner perceive me? How will my friends perceive me?
[00:50:25] And a lot of us will go, I don't care about that. And we don't care until we do. Yeah, for sure. I thought the same thing, Teri, and I remember walking into, so this house here, I um, I moved into when I was a single mum, and it's the most beautiful house I've ever lived in, even as a child. Better than the family home.
[00:50:52] So I was so proud of myself and I built my business, being a single mom and got into this house. And it was like the dream come true. And I had a friend walk in and the look on her face, Teri, I was like, Oh my God, I'm just about to lose her. You could see the jealousy set in, and it was horrible. It was so horrible that she could not be happy for me.
[00:51:23] And I did not in any way, shape or form predict that. I'm like, yep, I'm a single mom. I'm doing my best. I'm building my business. I'm building a life for myself. I'm doing it better than I expected. People are just going to be happy for me. Hmm, not necessarily true, right? You can't predict how other people are going to react.
[00:51:47] So that's when, okay, I get to look inside me. How do I feel at this level? Can I sustain it if I grow or continue at this level? Will I continue to lose people in my life and how do I feel about that? Right. Yeah. So all these things come up. Sometimes it's not about just the money, but it's everything that the money brings.
[00:52:16] Yeah. Because money does bring change. It has to because you have to change. The level that you are at now brings in your current reality. So to go and bring in one thing different, you have to change, which brings in a whole new reality in other ways. Yeah. So the question ends up being is, what are you willing to let go of to receive what you want?
[00:52:43] Teri Holland: Yeah. Yeah. I have lost people in my life at every level of growth. Yeah. Every time. Yeah. But have you also gained? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. But it was, um, but I remember the first time it happened was, was a shock. Because it was like what you were describing, like, I did not expect these relationships to leave my life.
[00:53:09] They were my closest, three closest friendships. And they all, within, within weeks, just disappeared.
[00:53:17] Jennifer McCormack: Yeah. Yeah. And it is. It's almost like a flash. And you're like, what just happened? That was exactly it. Yeah. Yeah. What just happened? Um, and they were replaced very quickly with a new, more supportive people who are aligned to the new stage in life and, and that's happened every, every level of the way.
[00:53:38] I love that. Yeah. And see, this is the thing. It's like, once we realize what's happening, we can adjust ourselves in our nervous systems accordingly. So instead of sitting in the lack and the grief and the loss. It goes, Oh, I understand what's happening here. I'm up leveling. My beliefs are up leveling or shifting, therefore I need to let go of stuff.
[00:54:04] That stuff could be people and I will gain others along the way. Sometimes that'll happen straight away. Sometimes there might be a little gap and that's where they, you know, the, the loneliness of entrepreneurial world can set in, in that gap. Right. And I was even thinking about this the other day, the depth of conversations that I can have with some people that I just can't have with others is like, all right, so these beautiful people are my new world, but there's also that expectation for, and this goes into the support that I was talking about earlier with one of the biggest blocks that hold, um, business owners back is how supported they feel is not everyone in our world needs to be out everything.
[00:54:53] Right. No. So I have some great people that are great to go out to dinner with, right? And they're fun and we have a good time, but I can't go into depth with them. And then there's people that are just, you could talk for hours, like you and I are talking. We can talk about human behavior and spirituality and the depth of, of life.
[00:55:14] And it's just.
[00:55:18] Yeah. So, and then there are other people that will support you in your business strategy and there are people that you can share your wins with. And as every business owner will know, there's also people that you can't share your wins with. Yes. Yep. And we can't get bogged down in the people that we can't share stuff with because they just don't, they don't get it and that's okay.
[00:55:43] No. Yeah. So it's to remind us everyone can't be everything. Yeah, that's such a good point. I remember at one point, like, in tears crying to my coach and being like, I have you and I have my husband and I pay you. Like, you're my only friend and I pay you to talk to me. And he was like, Yeah. Welcome to growth.
[00:56:08] This is how it goes.
[00:56:10] Teri Holland: And I feel like we all had that teary moment. Yeah. There was like a period of time where I had my husband to talk to, I had my coach, and there was no one else in my life, like other than acquaintances, clients, that was it. Yeah. It was, it felt very lonely.
[00:56:26] Jennifer McCormack: And then sometimes even your clients become your friends.
[00:56:30] Yeah. Oh, yeah. I get it. And I think, yeah, you know, we've all had those moments where we've had that teary moment to our coaches and feel like, Oh my God, I'm paying my friend to be my friend. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It's like, they're the only person I can share my wins with and, and help me through my losses.
[00:56:53] But yeah. And until you get to a next level where you can create some stability and new people come into your world. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I think the important thing there is stay open to the possibility of meeting new people that are more aligned to you. For sure. Because I think sometimes when we see a lot of people around us not supporting us, not understanding us, you know, we can't share our wins with, we can't cry our losses to, that we start to close off.
[00:57:25] Yeah. So it's like. Don't worry, stay open, and the right people will come. You might not know how, but they'll enter your world in such a beautiful way. And they all do. Oh, for sure. And I think that's when you realize as well that you don't need a lot. Of good friends, just that small handful of people that understand you and your journey and can relate to you.
[00:57:58] It's like you don't need a lot of them. Yeah, nor do you have time for a lot of them. No, no, for sure. Definitely.
[00:58:09] Teri Holland: Well, I feel like we could talk forever. I agree. But we probably do need to wrap up. So, um, how do people work with you? So for those listening, how do they work with you?
[00:58:25] Jennifer McCormack: So I have two ways to work with me at the moment.
[00:58:28] Um, I do most of my sessions one on one. So a lot of my clients work with me over a minimum of a six month period and to get the results that they want. Most of my clients have been with me for years. Or we do what I call Voxer support. So Voxer is a chat communications app and we can do stuff over there.
[00:58:47] So. Um, I have some girls that purely do Voxer with me, and then I have girls that do Voxer alongside one on ones with me. So, Voxer is really good for people, say for example, like yourself, Teri, that know how to create the change, but just want that deep insight into what they're going through. Um, so a lot of my Voxer only clients are coaches themselves that can do the work, but...
[00:59:11] Yeah, need the insight and want the muscle testing behind, all right, tell me what my priority is right now to get me to those 10k months, to get me to those 50k months. Um, and that's the way that I work with a lot of my clients. It's like, where do you want to go? So you can find me, I'm mainly on Instagram.
[00:59:30] I'm there, come to my DMs, let's chat, all that sort of stuff.
[00:59:34] Teri Holland: Perfect. Great. And I'll have all of your links in the show notes. So for those listening, you can find Jennifer there and follow her Instagram. Thank you so much for coming on today. I really appreciate this conversation. I think you have given so much value and so much expertise.
[00:59:54] Jennifer McCormack: Uh, I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me, Terry.
[00:59:57] Teri Holland: If you enjoyed this episode share it with a friend and remember to leave your five-star review come back next week for my interview with jeff buner and we're gonna be talking about how to get more of what you want in life he's going to share some amazing insights and you do not want to miss it